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  What would you like to have known about JWs before deciding whether to get baptised?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you could go back in time and tell yourself one thing about jws would you do it?

  and what would you choose to say to yourself?

  do you think you could have convinced yourself not to get baptised if you chose the right thing to say?

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  1. Females are second class citizens.

  2. Unmarried females are less than male children.

  3. Getting baptized only made it worse, because they stop being kind to you.

  I put up with that less than one year. Ten months to be exact. It would have been fewer months, but I had a family trip to get through. I was fortunate. I didn't put off my education. I won't suffer an impoverished retirement (you listening mom?) like all my other all-in JW peers (there aren't too many of them) who have nothing (it used to be less than nothing, but thanks to Chapter 7's and 13's, it's just nothing).
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  The 1975 Generation---are they still around?

  by minimus in

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  i was raised as a jw and 1975 expectations were pretty intense.

  as i recall, most people did not leave after the failed expectations but many s l o w e d down.

  now, i think most of the 1975 witnesses are gone or barely in.. is the older generation still around in the kingdom halls or are they much gone?.

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  I was barely 7 in 1975, but vividly remember "stay alive for '75." My mom is in her late 70's and still in, but none of her children are. In that regard she was a fabulous mother, but a lousy witness. Her unbelieving mate's quiet rejection was louder and more powerful than her heavy-duty attempts at brainwashing. Despite the failure of the Great Tribulation to manifest itself in the 70s or 80s, the doctrinal generation change in the 90s, my mother STILL believes that it's gonna happen, any second. When she has to get new tires for her car-those will be the last she ever needs to get. When she has to get new eye-glasses, she is certain those are the last she will ever need to get. She has lived this way for 50 years, converting, on that promise, the displaced and disenfranchised fringies she manages to find in every nook and cranny of her goings-on. Of course Great Britain's vote to leave the European Union is the latest sign that the GT is imminent. When I was a kid in the late 70s and early 80s, the publisher count was always well above 100 in the congregation. Now it's only about 47. As my mother says, without any sadness, they are dying off.
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  Disaster Demonstration in Kingdom hall

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwr9w_i02di.

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  Very obvious sexism too. Very upsetting to see that the "womenfolk" of the second family were completely incompetent without their "headship," only to be saved when a "brother" arrived….

  I still have no idea why the women in that cult consent to be ridiculed openly like that and actively participate in the process.

  Disgusting.
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  Now Even JW Men Are Going To Die At The Big A

  by OneFingerSalute in

  1. watchtower
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  so this weekend there was a part about not following jesus at a distance.

  the speaker made a big point of stating that any baptized jw male who was not either appointed ms/elder, or at the very least "reaching out" actively, was in fact following jesus at a distance.

  he said that the only way to live through the big a was to follow jesus closely.

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  I'm just astonished how the WTBTS has changed so dramatically these last five years. My elderly, arthritis stricken mother who never would even touch a computer until 2 years ago now has internet, a laptop, email, and an iPad! She actually pays someone (I'm assuming in her congregation) for lessons on how to use them. But what shocks me and depresses me the most is that she can watch the entire district convention at home, in comfort, at no expense, but instead will drive herself (and several of her misfit "friends" who really just use her) two hours each way-each day, pay for all the gas, toll roads, and parking, and then hand over more than the suggested donation-and feel all closer to Jehovah for the hardship. I'm sick to my stomach--so disturbed by the existence of the youtube videos of conventions and assemblies (and that they all still spend millions of dollars to attend these things) that I actually had something to share.
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  What products have you bought that exceed your expectations?

  by skeeter1 in

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  well?.

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  Kent Combs. Once you comb your hair with one, you will never want another comb. Ever. Again.
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  100 YEARS OF YEAR'S TEXTS

  by La Capra in

  1. watchtower
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  14:7.. 1988 hope in jehovah and keep his way (ps 37:34).

  yes, hope in jehovah, (ps.

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  fastJehu,

  You are probably right. I guess whomever started circulating this drivel is actually an unwitting apostate.

  And now the giddy rank and file are spreading a great falsehood amongst their brothers and sisters.

  I still think it's funy that the twit that started this called it 100 years of texts, when it is actually 101. They always have had issues with what to do with that year they start with...
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  100 YEARS OF YEAR'S TEXTS

  by La Capra in

  1. watchtower
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  14:7.. 1988 hope in jehovah and keep his way (ps 37:34).

  yes, hope in jehovah, (ps.

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  So I don't know what's funnier:

  That this is making its way around the JW email circuits...

  That this seems to be "celebrating" their redundancy...

  That this seems to point out it's been 100 years since 1914...

  Or that someone cannot count. This is 101 years of Year's texts (only 100 texts, but 101 years). (2014's text being the same as 1914's.)

  Maybe they won't ever have to write a new Year's text. Will 2015 be "Are you able to drink of My cup?" (Oh they can't seem to count that number, either...)

  I searched to see if this was already posted and didn't see it, but if it was, sorry for the duplication. And the formatting. I copied this from an email I intercepted.

  2014 "Let your Kingdom come." (Matthew 6:10 , NWT, 2013 Revision) 2013 "Be courageous and strong....Jehovah your God is with you." (Joshua 1:9)
  2012 "Your word is truth." (John 17:17 )
  2011 “Take refuge in the name of Jehovah” (Zep 3:12 )
  2010 ‘Love endures all things. Love never fails’ (1Co 13:7,
  2009 “Bear thorough witness to the good news” (Ac 20:24 )
  2008 “Stand firm and see the salvation of Jehovah” (Ex 14:13 )
  2007 “The great day of Jehovah is near” (Zep 1:14 )
  2006 “We must obey God as ruler rather than men” (Ac 5:29 )
  2005 “My help is from Jehovah” (Ps 121:2)
  2004 “Keep on the watch ... Prove yourselves ready” (Mt 24:42, 44)
  2003 “Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you” (Jas 4:8)
  2002 “Come to me, ... and I will refresh you” (Mt 11:28 )
  2001 “Stand complete and with firm conviction in all the will of God” (Col 4:12 )
  2000 “We are not the sort that shrink back ... but the sort that have faith” (Heb10:39)
  1999 “Look! Now is the day of salvation” (2Co 6:2)
  1998 “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved” (Ro 10:13 )
  1997 “Teach me to do your will” (Ps 143:10)
  1996 “Become doers of the word” (Jas 1:22 )
  1995 “Be harmoniously joined together in love” (Col 2:2)
  1994 “Trust in Jehovah with all your heart” (Pr 3:5)
  1993 “Instruct me, O Jehovah ... Unify my heart to fear your name” (Ps 86:11)
  1992 “Rejoice in the hope. ... Persevere in prayer” (Ro 12:12 )
  1991 "Let anyone hearing say: 'Come!'" —Rev. 22:17
  1990 “Be of good courage and say: ‘Jehovah is my helper.’” —Hebrews 13:6
  1989 “Fear God and give him glory.”—Rev. 14:7.
  1988 “Hope in Jehovah and keep his way” (Ps 37:34)
  1987 “As for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.” —Joshua 24:15
  1986 “Go . . . declare abroad the kingdom of God.”—Luke 9:60.
  1985 “Fully accomplish your ministry.”—2 Tim. 4:5.
  1984 “Speak the word of God fearlessly.”—Phil. 1:14 .
  1983 “Clothe yourselves with love . . . a perfect bond of union.”—Col. 3:14 .
  1982 “Become steadfast, unmovable, always having plenty to do in the work of the Lord.”—1 Cor. 15:58 .
  1981 “Your loyal ones will bless you. About the glory of your kingship they will talk.”—Ps. 145:10, 11.
  1980 “And now, Jehovah, . . . grant your slaves to keep speaking your word with all boldness.”—Acts4:29.
  1979 “My Father is glorified in this, that you keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples.”—John 15:8.
  1978 “They will not prevail against you, for ‘I [Jehovah] am with you . . . to deliver you.’”—Jer. 1:19 .
  1977 “You have need of endurance, in order that . . . you may receive the fulfillment of the promise.”—Heb. 10:36 .
  1976 “Awaiting these things, do your utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace.”—2 Pet. 3:14 .
  1975 “I will say to Jehovah: ‘You are my refuge and my stronghold.’”—Ps. 91:2.
  1974 “Although the fig tree itself may not blossom, . . . I will exult in Jehovah himself.”—Hab. 3:17 , 18.
  1973 “But we, for our part, shall walk in the name of Jehovah our God to time indefinite, even forever.”—Mic. 4:5.
  1972 “Say among the nations: ‘Jehovah himself has become king.’”—Ps. 96:10.
  1971 “You will be witnesses of me . . . to the most distant part of the earth.”—Acts 1:8.
  1970 “Go therefore and make disciples . . .baptizing them.”—Matt. 28:19.
  1969 “Lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.” - Luke 21:28
  1968 “Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.” - Mark 13:10
  1967 “Here I am! Send me.” - Isaiah 6:8
  1966 “We shall not neglect the house of our God.” - Neh. 10:39
  1965 “Do not become fearful of those who kill the body.” Matt 10:28
  1964 “Filled with the holy spirit and ...speaking the word of God with boldness.” -Acts 4:31
  1963 “Now we are not the sort that shrink back to destruction, but the sort that have faith to the preserving alive of the soul.”—Heb. 10:39
  1962 “Be courageous and let your heart be strong. Yes, hope in Jehovah,” (Ps. 27:14)
  1961 “In unity I shall set them, like a flock in the pen.”—Mic. 2:12 .
  1960 “Seek peace and pursue it. For Jehovah’s eyes are upon the righteous.” (1 Peter 3:11 , 12)
  1959 “Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments.” (Rev 16:15 )
  1958 “As for me, in my integrity I shall walk.” (Psalm 26:11)
  1957 “From day to day tell the good news of salvation by him,” Ps. 96.2
  1956 “Prove me now here with, said Jehovah of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing.” (Malachi 3:10 AS)
  1955 “He shall not be afraid of evil tidings: His heart is fixed, trusting in Jehovah.” (Ps. 112:7 ASV)
  1954 “Every day will I bless you, and I will praise your name forever and ever” (Ps. 145:2, CB)
  1953 “Worship Jehovah in holy array” (Ps 29:2, AS)
  1952 “Say to the prisoners, Go forth.”—Isa. 49:9.
  1951 “Praise Jah, you people, because Jehovah our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king.” (Rev. 19:6, NW)
  1950 “Preach the word” (2 Timothy 4:2)
  1949 “I . . . will yet praise thee more and more. (Ps. 71:14)
  1948 “I will sing praises unto the among the nations.” (Ps. 57:9, A.S.V.)
  1947 “Oh praise Jehovah, all the nations”. (Ps. 117:1, Am. Stan. Ver.)
  1946 “Be Glad, Ye Nations, with His People.” Romans 15:10 , Rotherham.
  1945 “Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations.” (Matthew 28:19, Am. Stan. Ver.)
  1944 “Teach me to do your will, For you are my God” (Psalm 143:10)
  1943 “More than conquerors through him that loved us”. (Romans 8: 37)
  1942 “Blameless in the day of our Lord” (1Cor. 1 :
  1941 “Salvation unto our God . . . and unto the Lamb” (Rev. 7:10 , A.R.V.)
  1940 “My heart shall rejoice in the salvation.”--Ps. 13:5.
  1939 “But they shall not prevail against them.” Jer 1:19
  1938 ‘Fear not; for the battle is God’s’ -2 Chron. 20: 15
  1937 “Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.” Obadiah 1
  1936 “For Jehovah and for Gideon” -Judg. 7:18 (Again, same as 1935)
  1935 “For Jehovah and for Gideon” -Judg. 7:18
  1934 “In his name shall [the] nations hope.” -Matt. 12:21
  1933 “The name of Jehovah is a strong tower; the righteous runs into it, and is safe.” Prov. 18: 10,
  1932 “They shall know that I am Jehovah” Eze 6:10
  1931 “The Lord preserve all them that love him ; but all the wicked will he destroy.” Ps. 145:20.
  1930 “Sing unto the Lord a new song.” Isa 42:10
  1929 “I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.” Psalm 104:33
  1928 “Sing forth the honor of his name.” (Psalm 66: 2)
  1927 “O Lord, how manifold are thy works !” Psalm 104:24
  1926 “Blessed be the Lord out of Zion.”-- Psalm 135:21
  1925 “Comfort all that mourn.” Isa 61:2
  1924 “The kingdom of heaven is at hand” Matt 10:7
  1923 “We all, with open face beholding as a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the spirit of the Lord. 2 Cor 3:18
  1922 “Thanks be to God, who give us the victory through our lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Cor 15:57
  1921 “I will triumph in the works of the hands.” Psalm 92:4
  1920 “The Lord is my strength and song.” Psalm 118: 14
  1919 “No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; Lord, and righteousness which is of me, saith the Lord.” Isa 54:17
  1918 “The end of all things is at hand: Be therefore sober and watch unto prayer; and above all things have fervent love among yourselves. (1 Peter 4:7,8)
  1917 “The Lord bless them, and keep them; the Lord make his face shine upon them, and be gracious unto them; the Lord lift up his countenance upon them, and give them peace.”-Numbers 6:24-26 (Chosen by Brother Russell before his death)
  1916 “Strong in faith.” Romans 4:20
  1915 “Are you able to drink of My cup?” (Mt 20:22 )
  1914 "Let your Kingdom come." (Matthew 6:10 )
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  JW and Disfellowshipped in School

  by 00DAD in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have any of you ever been or known of a jw that either:.

  [if !supportlists]1.

  [endif]had a disfellowshipped teacher in school, or.

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  I D'Aed in 1987 and began teaching high school in 1992. I've had a number of JWs and it never was an issue, some knew. Most did not. One from about 8 years ago came out to our table at the restaurant where she works to sing happy birthday to someone a few weeks ago. She was borderline when she was in my class (borderline jw that is, decent enough student), but the restaurant scene is now one of my "happy places."

  Interesting note, though-if a JW parent requested to have a their kid removed from a DF'ed teacher's class, for any reason relating to the DF or religion, in a public school in the United States, the school administration cannot do it. It would violate the teacher's First Amendment rights. A JW teacher would not be able to have a DFed student removed from her class for the same reason. Doesn't matter if "minors are involved." If a public school administrator did move a student from the class for that reason, he or she could get in a whole lot of really bad trouble if the non-JW found out and decided to take legal action for violation of her civil rights.

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  Just got ahold of "secret elders meetings" notes.

  by aquagirl in

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  cant say how,but i am in possession of about 10 years worth of elders meetings notes.financial info,personal lists,signed letters etc.disfellowshipping meeting minutes,the works.it is unbelieveable.some of the note are "investigate so and so,she was seen at a movie,talk to sister so and so about her weight,investigate the matter between so and so and so and so etc.

  letters from circuit servant visits w/recommendatons.anyone got any ideas?there are even minutes of a meeting in which some of the elders "had words"...all in glorious initialed and signed paper.numbers,names,contributions..what should i do with this "blessing from hohoba?

  "lol.

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  Legally speaking, you could face some liability for making these things public. Just because you redact the names and addresses won't relieve you of this liability, if individuals could still be recognized by the details. It could be worse if anything you published was false, and you knew, or if you were making public some private information about individuals, or if the information you were putting out there tended to show them in a false light.

  As "anonymous" as the internet seems, it's not anonymous at all with subpoenas, it is pretty hard to guarantee anonymity of the poster. Just ask the defendant on a case I'm working on right now. Domainsbyproxy.com spilled its guts within days of the subpoena. Didn't even bother notify the consumer (defendant) before revealing her identity, address, phone number, IP addresses, all her phone calls to the hosting service, and even her entire credit card number and its security codes to plaintiff's legal team (me).

  Legitmate legal advice aside, we love any dirty, juicy, damning trash we can get our hands on. What's taking you so long?
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  How Will Armageddon Strike?

  by african GB Member in

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  will it happen at once the world over?.

  will jw's be told to be at certain areas during that 'hour'?.

  what about the df'd who might happen to be among jw's?.

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  If the Organization isn't already saying this, they will soon: Armageddon has come and gone. We are living in a "spiritual paradise" now!

  Shoshana